GoT S4 is out

[Kz]

i dont like the new daario, and arya gonna be badass this season.

[rursusferre]

Pretty stoked. Although the new Daario still bothers me, even if he is better. Can't wait. Cunts.

[Fusa]

I fucking love Arya and the Hound. their scene at the end of the show was fucking amazing, start to finish.

everything that goes on at kings landing (for me) is always about to much drama, I guess it appeals to some people, I much rather watch (endless blackwatch/over the wall, Dragons and not to mention what I stated priovesly)

What I would like to know and they didn't mention this episode is about the guy who got is willyjohn sent to his father and sister. His sister vowed revenge/get him back but nothing was seen this episode.

[Rottenzombie]

why'd they get a new daario?

[Yooxra]

You don't seem to understand the situation

I understand that if anymore words come pouring out your cunt mouth. I'm going to have to fucking eat every chicken in this room

Awesome

[Yooxra]

Think the first guy playing Daario moved on to some other show. Not sure why, seemed like he had a good gig.

[Blake]

i like the new daario in terms of looks. the old one had a weird look about him that i didn't like.

man was joffery a dick to jaime. little fuckin cunt needs to get stabbed with needle

[Gogan]

You don't seem to understand the situation

I understand that if anymore words come pouring out your cunt mouth. I'm going to have to fucking eat every chicken in this room

Awesome

That was such a great scene. Every scene with Arya is my favorite. Love when she goes into killer mode.

Was a solid start to the season tonight.

[Blake]

from reddit

http://imgur.com/a/NTWIl

[McGrupp]

Wow, that's surprisingly an accurate paradox. Ha!!

[Fusa]

NSFW language is bad
?v=1Px9TECgAII

[Rottenzombie]

So rad

[Pathology]

Old daario is the new transporter.

I really liked when she cut the guys legs, that was some good shit.

[Blake]

fuck ya, awesome episode. god he was such a fucking dick. awesome ending

[rursusferre]

Knew it was coming. Didn't care. Glad to know it finally happened.

[Fusa]

lol I liked the effects of him dying rather then being cheesey.

poor Reek, what a broken Skin Patch.

[Kz]

so glad someone killed that little fuck. i was hoping sansa woulda stabbed him though

[Yooxra]

Long live the king

[McGrupp]

Hopefully they'll elaborate more on the poisoning of Joffrey in the coming episodes. It's really quite interesting. Also, there were key parts you don't realize are/were important until later. Such a well written series!

[rursusferre]

yep, jeoffery's murder is pretty complicated

[Gogan]

so glad someone killed that little fuck. i was hoping sansa woulda stabbed him though

Yeah, it's kinda bittersweet for me. Certainly glad he's dead. You could see it coming towards the end of the episode. They might've gone a little overboard setting it up. I was a little disappointed to see him die in that particular way though. Was really hoping one of the Stark girls could've had the honor -- and in a more satisfying way, e.g. a face to face stabbing or throat slitting. But I guess a mysterious poisoning is more fitting for the show's premise -- a complicated political battle for control of the throne.

Will be interesting to find out who was responsible. The show certainly went out of its way to imply Cersei was behind it (either that or she overacted in that episode), but I'm not sure what she has to gain from it. I think the preview for next week implying someone tried to frame Tyrion is just a red herring. I don't see how that whole scene with Joffrey humiliating Tyrion could've been anticipated and scripted by the assassin.

Speaking of which, who is the rightful heir to the throne now? Does Margaery have any power as a queen without a king? Does the crown fall back to Stannis? The Lannisters will obviously try to lay their claim, but I don't see how.

[Megasteve]

Speaking of which, who is the rightful heir to the throne now? Does Margaery have any power as a queen without a king? Does the crown fall back to Stannis? The Lannisters will obviously try to lay their claim, but I don't see how.

Tommen, Cersei and Robert's youngest child.

[rursusferre]

Don't worry Asano, you'll be interested in how it plays out. I am also kind of disappointed to see him go just because, god damn, what a little cunt, but still he added so much. I read somewhere how Martin has turned us all into monsters. We cheered for a 14 year old girl who murdered people gleefully last episode and with this one we were cheering the murder of a 14 year old boy. I am happy to see how quickly this season is moving into the "HOLY SHIT" stuff. Because this season is going to be FILLED with it.

[Gogan]

Tommen, Cersei and Robert's youngest child.

Wow, I completely forgot about him.

[Yooxra]

The show certainly went out of its way to imply Cersei was behind it (either that or she overacted in that episode), but I'm not sure what she has to gain from it.

She didn't seem to enjoy losing any of her power. She was the queen till he got married.

[Pathology]

So did you all see the necklace at min 32 of the episode?

[Pathology]

Poisonous jewelry, and I did not read the book.

[Fusa]

Pathology has an eye for this sort or "medicine"?

[rursusferre]

I don't like spoiling things for people so I wont. But I will say if you watch the first two episodes, everything is there.

[Fusa]

and yes I rewatched both episodes, it is in the show if you look hard enough, and count certain things.

[Fusa]

storytelling episode sorta boring(little action)

[Yooxra]

I enjoyed the episode and I look forward to the fight with the prince and the mountain.

[rursusferre]

Yoox, that is gonna be epic

[Yooxra]

Yoox, that is gonna be epic

I was looking forward to a good fight with Daario and the champ at Meereen. Soon as I saw Daario step up I knew it was going to be short.

[Gronthor]

And Jamie once again proves:

"Incest is best, so put your sister to the test"

...

"even if she denies your request"

[Yooxra]

And Jamie once again proves:

"Incest is best, so put your sister to the test"

...

"even is she denies your request"

Oh Gronthor, you alt whore.

Give it a rest you fucking with the best

*

I can rap too.

[Gronthor]

Surely you jest.

[Yooxra]

Think we saw the Lich king tonight. He is making undead babies.

http://oyster.ignimgs.com/mediawiki/apis.ign.com/game-of-thrones/thumb/f/f8/Nights_king.jpg/468px-Nights_king.jpg

[Kz]

i was honestly surprised it was the grandma who killed him. i thought of all people she had the least motivation b/c her grand daughter was about to be queen. granted he was the biggest asshole out there.

[McGrupp]

Lord Baelish + Olenna! You'll see why she (Tyrells) and Baelish had the MOST to gain

[Yooxra]

Lord Baelish + Olenna! You'll see why she (Tyrells) and Baelish had the MOST to gain

Baelish wanted Sansa since the first time he saw her. Couldn't have the mom, so the next best lookalike. Even tho he claims he is marring an aunt. I still think he is lying to her and secretly wants her.

[Yooxra]

Possible spoiler.




























































So the night king might be a Stark huh. Coolness.

[rursusferre]

Yoox, that end of the episode really answered so much more than anything even in the books.

This thread has some potential spoilers in it, but it does an amazing job piecing together what we do know about the White Walkers and forming a very good picture of who/what/why they are. Usually this kind of stuff is pretty stupid and easy to ignore, but this guy builds a pretty awesome case that makes a ton of sense in the GoT world. It leaves a lot unanswered but it does paint a pretty interesting picture of the White Walkers specifically.

http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/23p48r/the_true_nature_and_purpose_of_the_others_and_the/

[Rhun]

Yeah that was a crazy episode. Most of it never happened in the books.

[Fusa]

I wish I never read it. http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/23p48r/the_true_nature_and_purpose_of_the_others_and_the/

kinda makes sense and sorta ruins my favorite story line ( spoiler wise)


and this is my guess as to what Ned's sister made him promise before her death.

http://imgur.com/T9tVOx2

[Rhun]

Pretty cool theory, I already knew and believe one part of it, though I do not think the rest of that theory is true (wouldn't mind if it was though i guess).

edit - if you don't wish to be spoiled, don't visit either of the link fusa posted

[Gogan]

edit - if you don't wish to be spoiled, don't visit either of the link fusa posted

So... tempting... must... resist...

[Yooxra]

So... tempting... must... resist...

Oh I resisted, twice now. Not gonna do it.

[McGrupp]

Definitely been piecing the puzzle together since none of that white walker scene is in the books. My thought is all the Whitewalker elites are Castor's sons?!

[rursusferre]

The thing is, with that link, it all makes sense, but it in NO WAY for sure. Martin is just too hard to predict. It could be 100% spot on or it could be total garbage.

[rursusferre]

Its more complicated than that grupp, but to some degree thats true.

[rursusferre]

The thing is, we have sort of been told that Castors sons are turned into white walkers before, its just never been confirmed. Castors wives made the comment akin to "His brothers are coming to take him" or something, implying this to be the case, but like with most things, we don't know if its just bullshit or not. The episode confirms this to be true, which is a big deal. The BIGGER deal is that apparently HBO accidentally released a huge spoiler in the episode description saying that we meet the Night King. In the books, he is just one of the million stories we are told about. Some people refer to him as a story, others as a prophecy for the future. This episode definitely (apparently) shows/states who/what he is. It was the first time something happened on the show that is potentially in the future books, kind of a reverse direction spoiler. In the end it doesn't really ruin anything, it just really helps flesh out a part of the story (The white walkers) that has literally had ZERO information through all five books. Thats why the internet is so a buzz. We have never had The Land That Is Always Winter even described before and then BOOM, not only do we go there, but we see that they are apparently organized into a real society.

[Fusa]

The thing is, we have sort of been told that Castors sons are turned into white walkers before, its just never been confirmed. Castors wives made the comment akin to "His brothers are coming to take him" or something, implying this to be the case, but like with most things, we don't know if its just bullshit or not. The episode confirms this to be true, which is a big deal. The BIGGER deal is that apparently HBO accidentally released a huge spoiler in the episode description saying that we meet the Night King. In the books, he is just one of the million stories we are told about. Some people refer to him as a story, others as a prophecy for the future. This episode definitely (apparently) shows/states who/what he is. It was the first time something happened on the show that is potentially in the future books, kind of a reverse direction spoiler. In the end it doesn't really ruin anything, it just really helps flesh out a part of the story (The white walkers) that has literally had ZERO information through all five books. Thats why the internet is so a buzz. We have never had The Land That Is Always Winter even described before and then BOOM, not only do we go there, but we see that they are apparently organized into a real society.

This is not a spoiler http://imgur.com/a/UlXmf, it is just a very funny reaction compilation as to what is going on in the tv series.

I have never read the books nor will I, but this is exactly how all of you book readers felt as you watched the show.




Also on my own theory about the white walkers are sorta like Grupps, Castor wasn't afraid to be out there, he was either (forced to do this) or ( agreed to do this).

I forget the episode but one Woodward Tree as Sam and the woman pass by with the baby ( yells/calls for a whitewalker to get the baby//also if I am wrong I thought it reacted to the death of one of the white walkers), so the (greenseer/raven) knows about these babies/whitewalkers as-well.

Which makes me think that some how all of these things are intertwined, maybe Bran is going to see the Raven who is in a sorta truce/working with the white walkers who is in turn somehow related (maybe by blood) with Castor but overall I think everyone including the whitewalkers are working for and somehow have the same ambition as the Raven beyond the wall. ( There has to be a reason why he went beyond the wall and stayed there )

What I don't understand is the relationship between the two, like why would the trees warn about a baby leaving and why haven't the white walkers killed/fucked with the children of the forest.

[Rhun]

well since rufus already said that that dude was the nights king, here is another thing...

http://i.imgur.com/UdIA9Pt.png

notice how many there are in this picture? the night's king was the 13th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch.

[rursusferre]

Yeah, I am not sure it is a spoiler or not. It's just a fleshing out of back story we have never heard.

[Gogan]

I get the feeling that this story about the others/white walkers/whatever is completely lost on the tv-only audience. Seems like there's tons of backstory that is pretty critical (and interesting) to appreciate what we're seeing. Hope they can fill us in and do it justice to it later on.

Wonder whether it's just going to consist of these thin threads of a story revealed in little bits throughout the seasons until it becomes the main story at the end -- requiring us to rewatch the whole series to pick up on everything.

[Fusa]

I get the feeling that this story about the others/white walkers/whatever is completely lost on the tv-only audience. Seems like there's tons of backstory that is pretty critical (and interesting) to appreciate what we're seeing. Hope they can fill us in and do it justice to it later on.

Wonder whether it's just going to consist of these thin threads of a story revealed in little bits throughout the seasons until it becomes the main story at the end -- requiring us to rewatch the whole series to pick up on everything.

I think it is more of the fact, the books are very detailing (in general) and when it come to the white walkers (everything is vague) so pretty much book readers have been waiting for a new book forever but they infact just got new information from the tv show ( and I think the tv and the books are going to go two different directions)

they would have to the show is progressing faster then books are being produced (2 more seasons just got signed and the last show of this season is named (The Children) assuming bran gets to the cave ( that is where the books end))

[rursusferre]

Honestly Asano, not really. There is literally NOTHING about the White Walkers over 5 books. My wife is constantly asking me things about them and I just have to say "I have no fucking idea". You know (as a show watcher) really everything the people who have read the books do. Thats always kind of puzzled me about the books. There are 2 books left to tie up not only all of the stuff involving the politics of the show, but really, if we are to believe the way the story is hinting at it, a war between humans and ice walkers. The problem is this war hasn't even really started yet, let alone knowing WHY there is a war.

[Rhun]

Yeah there are bits and pieces throughout the current 5 books about the wights. But for the most part there isn't much. One of the stupid things about the whole story. It starts with how a wight kills a night's watch guy, and after 5 books, not much at all has happened with them.

It's nice the makers of the show are getting ahead of the books, they at least see that it's pretty dumb to have an audience wait that long to get to the real story (even if it's only a tease, it's still fun to see new stuff).

Also none of stuff about Jon and the night's watch guys going to attack the mutineers ever happened in the books. Which is another thing that's cool to see as a book reader, not know what they're throw at you makes a better experience.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz5K_j4TRMs

[Kz]

i want bran to worg him some dragons!

[McGrupp]

Yea, I'm interested to see if Jon and Bran's paths will cross in the show...

[rursusferre]

Hodor

[Yooxra]

Lady of the vale it is? That bitch is nuts. Is she slow or something? Cause she just seems bonkers.

[Blake]

i feel even sadder for sansa now than i did before. the vale people are fuckin crazy. she has to marry a little retarded kid whose still suckin on his moms tit. out of all the people in the show i think that she has it the worst. her life has really sucked since going to the capital.

[Fusa]

I think Hodor has it the worst, poor guy doesn't even remember fucking people up.

aside from jokes you bring up a valid point blake, it would suck to be in little fingers grasp, he seems to know what he is doing, including fucking the shit out of that crazy bitch (in the dark)

[Kz]

yea that bitch is fucking crazy as fuck for sure and so is the kid. sansa probably would have had an ok thing with tyrion b/c he's not a complete dick like every other guy seems to be. but naturally if she was still in the capital her life would have been hell.

[Yooxra]

Holy fuck Trial by combat. Wtf

[Blake]

top post on reddit after the episode

http://i.imgur.com/rc6Z3QH.jpg

[Fusa]

Obreyn : So did you?
Shea: Did I what?
Obreyn : Fuck him like it was his last night in this world?

[rursusferre]

Yoox. Prepare your anus.

[Gogan]

Great ending. I assume he'll name Jamie to fight for him. Wonder who he'll have to fight.

[Fusa]

I find it funny because Tywin wanted so badly for his "name" to carry on, with Tyrion doing what he did means Jamie is still in the kingsgaurd and Tyrion is pretty much "dead" to the family.

That little meeting with Jamie and his father was pretty much fucked.

[Yooxra]

Tywin thought he had it all planned out. To force Jamie into the position to go carry on the name. Tyrion could carry on the name if they would just let him. The father and the sister just hate him to much to allow it. Can't wait for next week. The whole trial was amazing. This season is so good.

[Yooxra]

I might be over thinking it but I think the prince is going to take a liking to Tyrion after how the trial went and champion him. It's gonna be vs the mountain cause he needs to have revenge at the same time. Cause Jamie or Bronn is to obvious as his choices.

[rursusferre]

Notice how Tywin said "you'll father children named Lannister". He knows the rumors are true.

[Rhun]

Well also because even if the realm doesn't know the truth about the incest, Tommen and Myrcella still have the surname Baratheon, which doesn't help pass down the family name.

[Yooxra]

Notice how Tywin said "you'll father children named Lannister". He knows the rumors are true.

He knows everything that matters pretty much when it comes to his family. Is why he planned to use the trial to force Jamie into having kids that will allow the name to go on, knowing well that Jamie would protect Tyrion. He doesn't care about the hardships that he will be putting Tyrion into. He has been doing it to him all his life. The problem is that Tyrion is to smart for one and he is no coward.

I don't know if Tyrion would ask Jamie to fight for him like he would of before cause of the one hand and all. Bronn wouldn't do it either cause even tho they are pals the risk might be to high for any reward. Since the prince is a judge and the trial's champion will most likely be the mountain. This is where I think the prince will step in to champion Tyrion just to get his revenge on the mountain. Not really cause of Tyrion.

[Gogan]

I don't know if Tyrion would ask Jamie to fight for him like he would of before cause of the one hand and all. Bronn wouldn't do it either cause even tho they are pals the risk might be to high for any reward. Since the prince is a judge and the trial's champion will most likely be the mountain. This is where I think the prince will step in to champion Tyrion just to get his revenge on the mountain. Not really cause of Tyrion.

That makes sense.

[Blake]

Since the prince is a judge and the trial's champion will most likely be the mountain. This is where I think the prince will step in to champion Tyrion just to get his revenge on the mountain. Not really cause of Tyrion.

good call yooxie

[rursusferre]

This season still had a lot to give. You guys are gonna love it.

[Rhun]

He knows everything that matters pretty much when it comes to his family. Is why he planned to use the trial to force Jamie into having kids that will allow the name to go on, knowing well that Jamie would protect Tyrion. He doesn't care about the hardships that he will be putting Tyrion into. He has been doing it to him all his life. The problem is that Tyrion is to smart for one and he is no coward.

I don't know if Tyrion would ask Jamie to fight for him like he would of before cause of the one hand and all. Bronn wouldn't do it either cause even tho they are pals the risk might be to high for any reward. Since the prince is a judge and the trial's champion will most likely be the mountain. This is where I think the prince will step in to champion Tyrion just to get his revenge on the mountain. Not really cause of Tyrion.

It's been a while but I think in the books Bronn is being hunted down at this point. They made him into a lord I think, or at least he was marrying some fat lady, but I think Cersei or someone ordered him dead as soon as Tyrion got thrown in jail. Another thing to note that really makes no difference in the story but interesting nonetheless (since we're talking about Bronn), he wasn't the one that was training Jaime, Ilyn Payne was the one because he had no tongue and couldn't tell anyone.

NM I got it wrong, he turns down the offer to champion Tyrion for another offer. Wonder how they'll do that in the show.

[rursusferre]

Well. Illyn pain (the actor) has terminal cancer. Wasn't surprised they changed that with Jamie, but it is funny they went from a character who couldn't talk to the biggest loud mouth.

[Fusa]

Well. Illyn pain (the actor) has terminal cancer. Wasn't surprised they changed that with Jamie, but it is funny they went from a character who couldn't talk to the biggest loud mouth.

But he ( Jamie), like his father (Tywin) shits gold, so that is enough for him (Bronn) to keep quiet.

[McGrupp]

I've read the books yet my memory escapes me. What exactly happened / caused Asha to turn her back on Theon other than him being reluctant as Reek. Ramsay did something with the cages or something then it just cut to her leaving...

[Gogan]

Apparently she's deathly afraid of dogs? I thought that scene was pretty strange too.

[Yooxra]

I've read the books yet my memory escapes me. What exactly happened / caused Asha to turn her back on Theon other than him being reluctant as Reek. Ramsay did something with the cages or something then it just cut to her leaving...

Apparently she's deathly afraid of dogs? I thought that scene was pretty strange too.

If she was scared of dogs it's probably cause Theon was a dog pretty much? He turned him into one. He sleeps with them. He acts like one. He was even neutered. He acts very much like a dog.

[rursusferre]

Grupp, the reason you don't remember that was that it wasn't in the books.

[Blake]

damn yoox nice call bro. and that ending.

[Yooxra]

Tyrion is just lucky. That had to make him feel really good.

[Fusa]

I fucking DIED laughing at this when I seen it after I watched the episode.

http://i.imgur.com/cHq3N.gif

[Rhun]

Only Cat.

Jesus they sure fast tracked that story.

[Blake]

http://giant.gfycat.com/RepulsiveEarnestDunnart.gif

[Gogan]

Spoilers blake! You're lucky I already watched last night's episode.

Good call indeed, Yoox. That scene with Oberyn and Tyrion was pretty great. Dinklage needs another emmy for this season, imo. Can't wait for the fight between Oberyn and the Mountain.

[Yooxra]

http://giant.gfycat.com/RepulsiveEarnestDunnart.gif

Can't help but to laugh. You could see this coming a mile away. All that shit she was talking about how people bascally explode on the rocks.

Spoilers blake! You're lucky I already watched last night's episode.

Good call indeed, Yoox. That scene with Oberyn and Tyrion was pretty great. Dinklage needs another emmy for this season, imo. Can't wait for the fight between Oberyn and the Mountain.

I think he needs to get an emmy also. I thought his scenes this season have just been amazing. I look forward to seeing his scenes the most over all others.

That dude is is freakish scary looking. I wouldn't want to have to fight him. They make him look 8f tall and he is built like a truck.

[rursusferre]

Yeah, Dinklage killed it this season. Yoox, that dude is like 6'9 and 400 something pounds in real life, he basically is a truck. Sad to see the Bronn/Tyrion bromance end. I think the television version has been better than the books between the two of them. God, was I fucking pissed though when it said IN TWO WEEKS.

[Rhun]

They sure do love changing actors in this show, anyone know why there's a new Gregor Clegane?

[rursusferre]

The first actor left to be in the hobbit. The second I don't know (fuck him. He sucked anyway).

[Gogan]

Apparently this is the third time (http://hbowatch.com/the-mountain-recast-again-in-game-of-thrones/) the Mountain has been recast. I always hear these recasts are due to "scheduling conflicts". It kind of makes sense when you think of how many characters are in the show and how sporadically many of them appear season to season. The actors can't just sit by the phone waiting for GoT to call them back for filming.

[Yooxra]

Conan Stevens (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1947403/) just looked the part. Mean looking.

Yeah two weeks is gonna hurt.

[Fusa]

I blame the US, the very first season they air'd them consecutive weeks ( including memorial day) viewers TANKED, so they said fuck that from the next season and on (2012-2014) now we miss a week. fucking holidays

[McGrupp]

Memorial Day is a big one for many U.S citizens..
Waiting 2 weeks does suck though
Heard the new Gregor is a World's Strongest Man Competitor...

[Gogan]

Apparently he placed 3rd in 2013 and 2nd in 2014:

http://www.ibtimes.com/game-thrones-season-4-spoilers-meet-mountain-ser-gregor-clegane-played-strongman-hafthor-1586633

The guy is seriously huge:

http://photos-d.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-frc/10358272_302612069903379_1410617553_n.jpg

[rursusferre]

Yep. She is not a short woman. And the sword he carries is as big ad her. Wouldn't be surprised it the sword weighs the same as her too.

[Yooxra]

This was a good part. Mountain kills the horse lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP6I-peP3e0#t=14

Why do I get the feeling that this picture was taken
http://photos-d.ak.instagram.com/hphotos-ak-frc/10358272_302612069903379_1410617553_n.jpg
right after this one. Evil queen!
http://gameofthronesguide.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/33.png

[McGrupp]

Personally, I feel like Martin lacked in a realistic depiction of Doran Martell in the books (other than he is ill)
I feel that Pedro Pascal nearly perfects the persona of Oberyn a la Charles Dance and Tywin Lannister.
Interested to see who/if they depict Doran in the TV series

[Yooxra]

Mountain vs horse
http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2014/05/game.of_.thrones.s01e05.horse_.cut_.gif

[Pathology]

I blame the US, the very first season they air'd them consecutive weeks ( including memorial day) viewers TANKED, so they said fuck that from the next season and on (2012-2014) now we miss a week. fucking holidays

Come be a doctor Fusa and holidays do disappear, and weekends, and nights, and your life. Path life choices 0, Fuck Path 1.

The guy playing prince oberyn is amazing and the scene with him and tyrion was my favorite of the season. I hope the fight scene is badass because I feel the action scenes are the only let downs so far. Always great drama surrounding them but the actual skill in fights falls short at times.

[Rottenzombie]

Can't wait for Hound VS Brienne.

Never happened in the book but I hope it happens in the show.

[rursusferre]

(Place holder for the inevitable)

[McGrupp]

Putting a visual on the book's description of the duels conculsion was gruesome! Gross

[Yooxra]

Just holy shit wow is all I can say. I'm so lost for words to describe what I just saw.

[rursusferre]

METAL AS FUCK is what you just saw. Brutal.

[Gogan]

That was brutal. Things aren't looking good for Tyrion. =(

[Yooxra]

You know that since watching the show I always thought of Sanza as a dim witted little kid. Ever since the beginning of her thinking she would go on her merry way to go off to king's landing and be the queen. Thinking everything would be all sweet. Last night she really showed that she learned a little something about how to play the game in her favor. I wonder if she is really falling for littlefinger. She knows that he loved her mother and couldn't be with her, since she knows he loved her mom. Their age is so far apart, but that doesn't stop some people.

So the fight. The viper could of won that fight we all know. His poor choice of trying to get the justice that he pictured in his head for so long was asking a little to much. What worried Bronn happened to the prince in the end. You simply can't give a man of that size any room to get his hands on you, the end result was no escape. If it was me I think I would of kept my distance and placed that spear into his face over and over before he could of got up. Specially if my family was killed by him like that.

[Rhun]

Don't worry friends, the season is not over yet.

[Gogan]

You know that since watching the show I always thought of Sanza as a dim witted little kid. Ever since the beginning of her thinking she would go on her merry way to go off to king's landing and be the queen. Thinking everything would be all sweet. Last night she really showed that she learned a little something about how to play the game in her favor. I wonder if she is really falling for littlefinger. She knows that he loved her mother and couldn't be with her, since she knows he loved her mom. Their age is so far apart, but that doesn't stop some people.

Yeah, it was good to finally see Sansa finally grow up a little. I don't think she has any romantic feelings towards Littlefinger though. I think she's going to play him (or at least try) just like she played the other lords. I think she's realizing it's her only way out of this mess, and now that she knows Littlefinger has a thing for her she now has some power she can wield.

[rursusferre]

So i have an interesting thing I read. It was talking about "viewer fatigue" and how some people felt the viewership of the show was going to go down due to the large number of characters killed. Something like 8 major characters so far, I believe. He spoke about how hardcore watchers were in it for the long haul, but more casual viewers would leave the show due to so many characters they were attached to being murdered. I know a lot of you guys haven't read the books, so as soley show watchers, do you ever feel that way? Are you ever like "jesus christ, can someone just live?"

[Gogan]

I could definitely see that if they kill of Tyrion. I think he's really well liked at this point and one of the last few "good guys" that's been on the show since S1. I'll be really sad if they kill him, but I'm way too attached to the story itself to stop watching over any particular character's death.

I can't imagine anyone "casually" watching this show either though. There are *so* many characters and so many different storylines and it all moves so fast, you really need to watch it closely and watch it every week.

[Yooxra]

So i have an interesting thing I read. It was talking about "viewer fatigue" and how some people felt the viewership of the show was going to go down due to the large number of characters killed. Something like 8 major characters so far, I believe. He spoke about how hardcore watchers were in it for the long haul, but more casual viewers would leave the show due to so many characters they were attached to being murdered. I know a lot of you guys haven't read the books, so as soley show watchers, do you ever feel that way? Are you ever like "jesus christ, can someone just live?"

I think that is a good read. Our shows tend to attach us to characters and then refuse to kill them off cause of their popularity. Notice how they don't usually kill off main characters in most shows inless it's the last show. Battlestar I think started the kill off thing and it worked well for them. It works well for Game of thrones and even tho Tyrion is a fan favorite, I don't want to see him die either, I would keep watching for sure even if they gut the dwarf. Season one was a shocker when Ned's head came off. He had to be lots of people's favorite at the time. The red wedding was hard to watch. I don't think I'd stop watching no matter who they kill. They keep adding new characters each season which keeps it fresh.

[Yooxra]

Not everyone is pleased with the way the latest Game of Thrones episode ended—so at least one fan took it upon themselves to completely re-do it.
http://kotaku.com/how-the-last-game-of-thrones-episode-should-have-ended-1585989700

Obviously, if you haven't watched the latest Game of Thrones episode, you should not watch this video by Ozzy Man. In fact, you should probably stop reading now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8oOi6JOXEQ

[Gogan]

At first I thought that was serious and thought "wtf, this hans zimmer music doesn't work at all." Then I kept watching and LOL'd.

[rursusferre]

I laughed at that yoox. Another thing i feel a bunch of people missed is when they were talking about the beetles, and tyrion was naming all the types of murder, Jamie looked down, raised an eyebrow and said "cousins". People seem to forget he killed his cousin while held captive by Robb Stark's army in order to escape. Just a nice little layer to an already awesome scene.

Speaking of that scene, it does not occur in the books. A lot of people have been talking about all the different meanings of the scene. Obviously there are a lot of things that can be read into the discussion Jamie and Tyrion have, but apparently, its a jab at Orson Scott Card, of Enders Game. Apparently he feels the show is terrible, with a terrible script and that it relies on pornography to cover up its terrible writing. As a big fuck you to Card, they wrote this scene to apparently show off they can write a descent scene not in the books. Pretty funny when you go back and watch it and realize the retarded cousin is named Orson. My wife didn't appreciate the reference because she has never read Ender's Game.

[Gogan]

Speaking of that scene, it does not occur in the books. A lot of people have been talking about all the different meanings of the scene. Obviously there are a lot of things that can be read into the discussion Jamie and Tyrion have, but apparently, its a jab at Orson Scott Card, of Enders Game. Apparently he feels the show is terrible, with a terrible script and that it relies on pornography to cover up its terrible writing. As a big fuck you to Card, they wrote this scene to apparently show off they can write a descent scene not in the books. Pretty funny when you go back and watch it and realize the retarded cousin is named Orson. My wife didn't appreciate the reference because she has never read Ender's Game.

Wow, I didn't know that. Fuck Orson. Ender's Game wasn't that great. If it didn't have that (albeit cool) plot twist at the end, nobody would even be talking about that book, and it damn sure wouldn't have gotten a movie made. Good for the GoT writers.

[rursusferre]

Agreed. Pretty boring book hinging on one little twist.

[Stag]

i feel like ive missed so much, I haven't watched any since the episode right before the wedding, so I have no clue about any of this! or some of the characters you are all mentioning

[Gogan]

You should stop reading this thread and watch all of your missed episodes immediately.

[rursusferre]

oh hai stag

[Yooxra]

I laughed at that yoox. Another thing i feel a bunch of people missed is when they were talking about the beetles, and tyrion was naming all the types of murder, Jamie looked down, raised an eyebrow and said "cousins". People seem to forget he killed his cousin while held captive by Robb Stark's army in order to escape. Just a nice little layer to an already awesome scene.

Speaking of that scene, it does not occur in the books. A lot of people have been talking about all the different meanings of the scene. Obviously there are a lot of things that can be read into the discussion Jamie and Tyrion have, but apparently, its a jab at Orson Scott Card, of Enders Game. Apparently he feels the show is terrible, with a terrible script and that it relies on pornography to cover up its terrible writing. As a big fuck you to Card, they wrote this scene to apparently show off they can write a descent scene not in the books. Pretty funny when you go back and watch it and realize the retarded cousin is named Orson. My wife didn't appreciate the reference because she has never read Ender's Game.

Haters gonna hate.

You should stop reading this thread and watch all of your missed episodes immediately.

Do this Stag NOW.

[Yooxra]

Did you guys read this

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/06/03/grrms-editor-there-might-be-8-game-of-thrones-books?watch

Might be 8 books instead of what they had planned.

[Yooxra]

Can read about it here too

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/32396/-game-of-thrones-to-live-longer-than-planned

[Rhun]

No surprise, my guess his he'll finish the 6th book in a year or two, whether he lives or cares to finish the series is anyone's best guess. The show is quickly catching up, as far as I can recall Sansas story is completely caught up. Other characters stories are pretty far behind though, like Arya. But they are going to finish the show in 7 seasons regardless of what he does. I'm guessing they know what he has in mind to conclude the series, and they're going to do what they want so the ending is going to end up differently.

At this point I wonder if they'll get to the shit going on in Dorne and the Iron islands or just skip it altogether.

(Not complaining about the way the tv show creators are going about it, i think they've made pretty good decisions on everything, though at the same time it kinda sucks to not see certain characters.)

[McGrupp]

I read somewhere that he's writing 6 and 7 as parallel entities, so half of each is complete. Main hiccup seems to be what direction to take Dany

[Gogan]

I read somewhere that he's writing 6 and 7 as parallel entities, so half of each is complete. Main hiccup seems to be what direction to take Dany

Where'd you read that? I heard he already knows how the story ends, and he's already told the tv writers/producers how it'll end so they can wrap up the show even if the books don't make it out first. Dany is a pretty major character, so if he doesn't know what direction she's going, then all bets are off for the rest of the story.

[McGrupp]

I'll look for the story (It may be dated) and edit with a link when I find it

edit:
Couldn't find the link, but now that I've slept, I remember more clearly that as he has been writing Book 6, it lead into arcs for 7 (Something like 20% of Book 7 is already written), not that the story is parallel. Sorry for the confusion!

[Yooxra]

Best part about tonight is that they added a 6man group dungeon apparently and even a boss.

[Rottenzombie]

You know nothing Yooxra Snow

[Rhun]

RIP Grenn and Pyp

[Gogan]

Best part about tonight is that they added a 6man group dungeon apparently and even a boss.

LOL!

Not a bad episode tonight, but easily the weakest of the season. I don't think they did a good job showing the enormous size of the wildling army. I know they only threw a fraction of the entire army at the wall, but it never looked like very many people. I was expecting a Braveheart like battle, but instead it looked like any other skirmish they've shown so far. Sad to see Ygritte die; she was one of my favourites. But I suppose that was inevitable.

[Cruci]

LOL!

Not a bad episode tonight, but easily the weakest of the season. I don't think they did a good job showing the enormous size of the wildling army. I know they only threw a fraction of the entire army at the wall, but it never looked like very many people. I was expecting a Braveheart like battle, but instead it looked like any other skirmish they've shown so far. Sad to see Ygritte die; she was one of my favourites. But I suppose that was inevitable.


*I haven't seen this episode yet but...*

Its been a few years since I read the book, but if I remember correctly the battle between the Thenns and the Night's Watch where Ygritte dies only involved a couple hundred people. A small bunch were sent to scale the wall in order to surprise Castle Black (sending in the special forces to do some infrastructure damage so the grunts can roll in and claim all the women...!); it sounds like the show is just staying true to the book.

One thing this show doesn't seem to lack is scale. If the Blackwater was any indicator, I have a hard time believing that you'll be disappointed when we see what Mance has up his sleeve.

[McGrupp]

Season finale or NBA finals game 5...Hmm (JK)

[Rhun]

Well, internet died so posting on my phone.

Holy shit great season finale. The last 20 minutes were what I expected, but 2 things really caught me off guard.

The fight between Brienne and Sandor Clegane was awesome, nice call Loren.

Also wtf...i don't remember jojen dieing, pretty sure he didn't. I was really hoping Coldhands would show up and save them but that didn't happen.

was cool to see bloodraven though (the three eyed crow) for you non book readers

edit - Sandor Clegane (the hound) died much earlier and they never got near as far as the Eyrie in the books, so that whole spinoff was pretty cool. Brienne fought Biter and Rorge who were killed by Arya and the Hound in the show, so all that was pretty interesting of a switch up.

[Rhun]

Internet is back up, one thing that was interesting to me was the reaction of the captain of that ship. It's been a while since I read that part but, it really makes me wonder if Jaqen Haqar and Sirio Forel are the same person and either he still is the first sword of Bravos, or the king or whatever himself. It has something to do with the Iron bank I'm sure, but what I dunno.

edit - Stannis' arrival and decimation of the wildlings was a bit anti-climactic for me, was hoping for a better battle, but whatever.

[Rhun]

Ok one final note to add...

Extremely disappointing that they didn't add Tyrion saying something about Lannisters not shitting gold after he kills Tywin. They really fucked that up, cause holy shit martin writes some hilarious stuff sometimes.

[rursusferre]

He never says that in book. He only thinks it. I assume he will say it next season. Also jojen is assumed to be dead in the books because he goes off and is never heard from again and its assumed he died but no one wants to tell bran. This is an acceleration in to part of A feast for crows. I haven't actually seen the last two episodes yet because I am still in Greece but I have just been reading about it. Still disappointed it didn't end with the scene I wanted it to but I guess it will be OK.

[Gogan]

Great season finale. I really thought Tyrion was going to die. Loved how they handled the Lannister story. Wonder how Cersei will react when she finds out Jamie freed Tyrion.

Arya's story was great. Love how much of a cold-blooded killer she's turning into, although it was also a little sad to see her treat the Hound like that after all he's done for her.

I agree about the Stannis/Wildling scene being anti-climactic. It all happened too fast, imo.

Bran's story continues to get stranger and stranger. I have no idea where they're going with it, but it seems like at some point Bran will be warging Dany's lost dragon. Also, did anyone else think the CG skeletons looked out of place and not very well done? It was *really* obvious that they were CG -- as opposed to the dragons, for example, which have always looked really great.

Overall great ending. As usual, will be a long 9 months until next season.

[Fusa]

I liked Tyrion killing his dad getting a little redemption for himself after being pretty much (put in every situation by his father hoping he would be dead)

ya stannis attack on the wildlings I didn't understand, maybe 400 the first night were were the other 9600 to fight stannis 300-400 knights. Looks like a slaughter of 5 sheep by armed men on horseback.

Brans story I think is going to be neat, tbh I think he will be rooted to that tree right beside that oldman for a while.

Arya story was amazing love how she finally used her Iron coin and by saying the line automatically earned her respect/cabinspace/a ride.

My thoughts on Arya/Hound was, she was always one to reason with people as to why they should not be lingering in pain, and usually the person in "need" of a swift death are trying to talk/linger. ( and if I am right usually the Hound was the one who ended up killing the person saving their agony)

With the hound he is begging her to end his pain swiftly, but she removed his name from her list and is unable to just kill him. Ever since she met her fellow assassin friend Jaqen H'ghar she almost used the same rules to her killing(must be on a list//save people=killpeople0. the only one that I remember at this time she killed who wasn't on any list was that fat boy early in the series. I might be wrong maybe 2 people.

in season 7 I forsee the Hound jumping from a cliff to land on the dragon bran is warg'd to help Jon snow, kill the mountain 2.0 if that crazy wackjob maeser gets him standing again. Oberyns a bad ass poisoning his blades.

[Rhun]

Don't remember if it's been said in this thread but Valar Morghulis means "All men must die" and the captains reply, Valar Dohaeris means "all men must serve" both in Valyrian.

[McGrupp]

The show has put much more emphasis on who Jon Snow's mother is...Some good theories out there. There's no better character portrayal than Charles Dance as Tywin. He will be missed!

Doesn't Arya put Needle through his heart in the books? It's been year since I've read them...

I too, was a bit underwhelmed by the happenings North of the wall. The books state Mance's army to be massive (100,000+), however undisciplined, which enabled Stannis' knights to crush them. However in the show, Stannis' army looked exponentially larger than the wildlings' forces!!

All in all, I really enjoy how the show has progressed. I think Martin realized the Greyjoy Arc is unappealing, so he made their presence in the show modest at best. I personally love the Martell arc, maybe next season?!

[rursusferre]

See I don't think the show has put enough emphasis on Jon's parentage. The one thing I heard was left out of the finally (well the one thing I will talk about since it isn't a huge spoiler) is the absence of Tysha.

Unfortunately most show watchers probably barely remember it so I'll bring it back up. We learn early on that tyrion was indeed once married to a woman he loved very much. Tysha. She was about to be raped and tyrion saved her and they fell in love. His father finds out and has all the men at his camp have sex with her, leaving a silver, ultimately having tyrion do the same at the end. Tywin tells him that she was a common whore and apparently her willingness to do this proves it. Tyrion is obviously heartbroken.

BUT in the books, when Jamie releases tyron he reveals that tysha was indeed not a whore. She actually loved tyrion. His father had all those men rape her one after another in front of him, ultimately having tyron rape her last. This is what leads tyrion to go confront his father and ultimately kill him.

Makes a lot more sense to me and adds a lot of tragedy to tyrion. Dad they left that out.

[Fusa]

defiantly adds a lot more tragedy to Tyrion, but as a show watcher only, I think there was "MORE" then enough motive for him to kill his father.

[Gogan]

Wow, good stuff.

[rursusferre]

Well i believe its also big motivation for him to leave westeros because I think he is going to find her. Or atleat he thinks he is. We'll see. There is still a lot of ground to cover.

[Rhun]

http://i.imgur.com/PG9zw89.png

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/06/16/predict-when-george-r-r-martin-will-finish-game-of-thrones-using-the-magic-of-geometry/

[Blake]

holy fuck 2023


do you guys think the TV series will ruin the story?

[Gogan]

Sounds like even under the best case scenario, the tv show will finish before the books. And since GRRM told the tv writers how, roughly, it'll end, then yeah I'd say the TV series will ruin some large parts of the story for the readers.

[McGrupp]

I don't think it'll ruin it, I watched the first season before reading the 1st book, so something similar may be on the horizon

[Fusa]

I don't think it will ruin it, the show has already combined chars, deleted story lines, and pretty much changed the course of everything.

so its like taking an early fork in the road that (may or may not) end up at the very same ending. and even if that is true and the endings are miraculously the same, when the show diverges/changed/altered the course it wouldn't "ruin" anything.

Most book readers were upset at the s4 final because it was no where near the same.

- Tyrion wasn't told by his brother that his first wife wasn't a whore ( so jamie is still liked by tyrion)
- Vary's got on the boat with Tyrion and left kings landing
- That kid (Jojen) never died before he entered the cave ( still alive )
- No lady stoneheart
- Three eye'd raven still has two eyes LAWL
- Oh and I forgot the major thing people apparently liked that wasn't in the books

The Hound vs Brienne of FOOKin Tarth

[Gogan]

I haven't read the books so I may be speaking completely out of ignorance here, but...

I don't think it'll ruin it, I watched the first season before reading the 1st book, so something similar may be on the horizon

The first book just presents lots of questions to the reader/watcher though. There's not much to spoil. There's a big difference between knowing about the first seventh of a story, and knowing the last seventh.

I don't think it will ruin it, the show has already combined chars, deleted story lines, and pretty much changed the course of everything.

I think that's a pretty big exaggeration. "Everything" hasn't changed. The fundamental story arc is still very much intact. From what I've gathered the TV show is at least 75% the same as the book, and in terms of the fundamental story, I'm betting it's 95% accurate.

I wouldn't consider any of the inconsistencies you mentioned as "major". The major story arc is how the different characters/factions come together in Westeros and challenge each other for supremacy. Who are the white walkers, what is their motivation, and what impact will they have once they breach the wall? Does Daenerys reach Westeros to challenge the Lannisters as rightful heir to the throne? What role will Bran, Jon, and Arya play in all of this?

By the end of the tv show, we will no doubt have answers to all of those questions and they will likely play out very similarly to the books (or at least GRRM's vision for the books). Nobody knows how this whole story will end, but GRRM's fundamental vision will come through in the show. And that's what will be spoiled for the readers.

[Rhun]

Pretty much what asano said.

[McGrupp]

My GOL bookmark now has a logo! Not sure if this is intentional or not lol.
While some of the stories and characters have changed, been omitted, or were never introduced, the synopsis of the series is accurate.

[Gogan]

My GOL bookmark now has a logo! Not sure if this is intentional or not lol..

Really? What is it? Nothing has changed, so I'm guessing your browser is doing it.

[McGrupp]

:(
Looks to be from the PAD website database I'm guessing. Got excited there for a second!

[Gogan]

Weird

[Blake]

ya my GOL bookmark took the form of my Gmail about a month ago and hasnt changed back

http://i.imgur.com/PQ4ASMY.png

[Yooxra]

Game of Thrones: Season 4 Bloopers (Comic Con)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-7Fs9HJvs0