Oh they might have existed in egyptian times, but I don't think that's their time of origin.

Right, they probably time traveled back to that time.

Two different scenes, one was of the full statue.

Other scene was Jacob talking to Smokey on the beach next to it but they never show it, in this scene they show a boat from around 15-17th century i believe and Smokey telling Jacob he wants to kill him or something close.

I think.

yeah, the full statue i think is to show that they lived were alive so long ago the statue still existed, now he just lives in the foot.

For an episode that was going to "tell us everything" NOT A GODDAMN THING HAPPENED THE WHOLE FUCKING EPISODE

Maybe you didn't notice, but at the end of the episode in small print it said: "This episode brought to you by ELUNNE"

Their previews have always been full of shit.

I thought it was one of the better episodes of the season, but, of course, the bar hasn't been set very high either. No questions answered, as usual, but at least stuff happened. Surprised to see Kate join Locke's posse, but it seems like she's just tagging along to see what happens.

Sadly, not a whole lot to talk about. Only 10 more episodes to go.

The only real thing that was confirmed was that everytime someone saw a dead friend/relative, it was the smoke monster.

Look at it this way, also take note that the same stuff is happening in the flash sideways that seem unavoidable for those going down the path of becoming bad. I guess you can say the same for those that have become good or netural.

Sayid for example in the flash sideways being forced to protect his brother's kids and the woman he loves. He trys to stay good and wash his hands, but he has no choice but to protect the ones he loves. He has no brotherly love from turning his brother down!

Kate is fighting to escape so it's alittle different for her you can say in the sideways. On the island she seems to be tagging along, Smokey doesn't get a chance to ask her to join or not, we have to assume for now that she did since she is along for the ride. So she is just trying to survive(same as in the sideways).

Jack and his son are on better terms in the flash sideways, Jacob seems to be pushing him along the path of the righteous(whatever that might be still)!

Hugo, he just seems netural in the whole series.

Dogen and his buddy the hippie die, this part is alittle confusing cause would this of ever happened if they just left Sayid alone(just the same as the sideways cause Sayid listened to her to not get involved till he was forced to). Dogen convinced Sayid that if he had any good in him he would strike Smokey down. Now i know that this was just a plot to get Sayid killed cause he is inevitablely going to be evil anyway it seems, but Sayid made the choice to strike Smokey down(if he had any good left in him). Seems like while it was just a trick to get him killed it had more meaning it to, cause Sayid's choice. One last thing Dogen has tryed to kill Smokey before it looks like, so is Smokey even killable? I'd assume so since Jacob is dead, is there some secret way of killing him? If so why since Jacob died so easy. So Sayid becomes evil in the end.

My question about Sayid is that Smokey seemed to know that Sayid would kill Dogen before he even striked the dagger into Smokey. Cause he didn't kill Sayid, Smokey doesn't seem to kill anyone that is one his side(or has darkness in them). So it was gonna happen either way cause Sayid was gonna become evil either way and Dogen was gonna do what he did either way cause to stay good they have to fight evil?

So for now we can break it up like this.

Good guys, Jack, Hugo, Jin?, Sun, Elana, Pilot dude, Ben?lol, Half the village(dead).

Bad guys, Sawyer, Sayid, Claire, Kate?, half the village with Smokey now.

Maybes(undecided), Kate, Jin, Ben?(How can Ben be good I know lol).

I know i might of missed some for this list.

Another thing i don't understand is that Smokey chooses to leave some people alive that don't choose to join him out right. I wonder why, Richard for example, another example is Jin(possibly), another is Kate(maybe), there are others that i'm sure i can't think of right now.

Preview for next episode shows Smokey going after Ben and the preview claims Ben dies, so we will get to that later, but i assume Ben turns his offer down so he dies for it.

That's a good point, didn't think about that.

I don't know if she's just along for the ride as much as she's trying to absolve herself for taking Aaron from Claire.

Does Jack even have a son in the normal timeline?


I don't think Dogen had tried to kill Smokey before. I remember Sayid saying something to him about how he's had two chances now to go and try to kill Smokey himself but both times he's attempted to get other people to do the job. Then later we find out that Dogen simply being alive is what is keeping Smokey from entering the temple. I don't think Dogen could kill Smokey if he wanted to and he's just a guardian for the only safe haven on the island that Jacob could create.

Well, I think Smokey knew that Sayid could not refuse an offer to be reunited with Nadia. Also, remember how Dogen told Sayid that he had to strike Smokey before he could talk to Sayid? My guess would be that this is because Smokey would be able to complete whatever sickness Sayid has and fully take him over like he has Claire. Although, Sayid didn't seem as far gone as Claire in the aftermath even though he did kill Dogen / Hippie bitch.