(*Lost*)

[Sly]

gunna be interesting to see if or how smokey gets off the island and what would happen if he does.

[Nucholza]

I don't remember if Jacob ever touched Kate, but didn't he visit her like the others - they showed her as a kid in some store stealing a lunchbox and she gets caught and doesn't Jacob offer to pay for it so the store owner wouldn't call the cops? Or maybe that wasn't Jacob but I think it was. Maybe when he said 5 candidates he was already not counting Locke since he's dead.

I feel like they keep adding more questions than answering them - especially with the timeline where the plane didn't crash and Ben being a teacher at the school Locke was subbing at.

Maybe Smokey has to sacrifice Sawyer somehow in order to leave the island? The kid, little-Jacob(?), pointed out to Smokey that he couldn't kill him. I wonder if it was supposed to just be funny or if it meant something when Smokey got all pissed off saying "don't tell me what I can't do" just like Locke.

Maybe I missed or something or I'm not seeing the obvious but what were the numbers next to their names on the wall?

[Sly]

you're right about kate nuch.

the other timeline is to show how their lives are connected even without the island. If the bomb blew up then ben would of never stayed on the island so he now lives a normal life as an asshole teacher.

the kid could be a neutral in the battle between jacob and smokey? and now that jacob's maybe dead smokey feels hes won, hence him throwing the white stone out to sea.


I'm guessing jacob touched everyone on 815 at some point in their lives and as he did he just simply numbered them in order of when he did, but I didn't pay close attention to the number in relationship to the age of when they were touched.

[Onion]

Theory about the "caretaker candidates." Maybe Smokey needs one to either come with him, or as Nuch said, be sacrificed in order for him to leave. Maybe if he leaves, the island somehow ceases to exist, it would explain his disdain for Jacob, perhaps the true caretaker has to allow him to leave, and Jacob didn't let him go.

I don't get why that chick on the beach, (Ilena, Alana? w/e), said Smokey is recruiting, that throws a wrench in the whole killing Sawyer thing if he's recruiting.

What's with the abundance of ash? If some was just created by Jacob burning, where did the other ash come from? Suggests that either Jacob has died before and burned and that's where it's from, or it's from previous caretakers being burned and just built up over time or something.

That little kid is weird, I can't help but keep going back in my head to wondering where all of the Egyptian hieroglyphics tie in to the whole story. Maybe they're lower gods that were cursed to walk the earth and trapped on the island to protect man? But this kind of shatters the possibility of multiple caretakers, if Jacob was some sort of a god.

I'm not sure what the little kid meant you can't kill "him." Maybe he meant Richard? Seems more like he meant Sawyer though.

Oh and I couldn't help but laugh my ass off when I heard Ben bitching about the coffee in the teacher's lounge.

More important than anything, it seems like Richard knows exactly what's going on. As if he either was warned about such things by Jacob, or he has experienced the chain of events before.

Also, you all need to watch this clip from The Soup: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRJvaQuCh5c

[Gogan]

All good questions, Nuch and Onion. I'm really surprised they're moving so slowly with the story. Seems like they have a lot to wrap up, and all they're really doing is creating more questions each episode.

The parallel timeline: there has to be more to it then simply showing us a "what if" scenario. I mean, who cares? It has to have some deeper meaning, or some kind of connection to what's currently going on on the island.

I was really perplexed when Locke shouted at boy-Jacob, "don't tell me what I can't do!" That was a very Locke-like thing to say -- not Smokey at all. Why would he say that? They played it up all episode long in the alternate timeline too, so I have to imagine there's something important there. Has there always been some long-standing connection between Smokey and Locke? They almost make it seem like Locke and Smokey are the same person -- always have been. I can't quite fit all the pieces together, but there's something there.

[Vayd]

Nuch--The numbers are apart of an equation that dictates when the world is going to end. They were also the numbers that showed up when the button needed to be pressed at the Swan?(forgot what station it was). How they are tied to the electromagnetic field that the swan was holding down, I have no idea. Maybe it's just some crazy physics and math beyond our comprehension (so to say). Smokey said that Jacob had a thing with numbers.

*The information on the numbers was from some Lost video game.
-Dharma went to the Island in hope to manipulate the numbers and let the world last longer.

[Vayd]

Yeah, I don't know why Smokey is starting to say the shit Locke says. That one annoying latino chick (she reminds me of Sly) said that he's stuck as Locke. Maybe him being "stuck" to Locke's form is causing an assimilation to not only Locke's physical form, but mental (because usually he switches forms quickly and doesn't stay to a single one). I guess the question is--why is he stuck in Locke's form? It can't be a hard one if that annoying latino bitch-sly chick figured it out so easily. I mean who the HELL DOES SHE THINK SHE IS? She's nobody. I must be missing something.

[Yooxra]

Asano - I think your question about Locke/Smokey might be due to Locke being the one person that didn't want to leave the island cause of how pathetic his life was off the island. Maybe that makes him the best candidate or was since he's dead now. I still can't seem to fit many of the pieces together for this really still due to Smokey wanting to leave the island and Locke wanting to stay. So the similarities are there but what they both want/wanted seem backwards to me inless Smokey wanted to use Locke to put him in his position as his candidate for "position black" so Smokey can leave the island? So now that Smokey is recuiting instead of out right killing them all "currently" is so he is using them just to free himself since that's all that he seems to want now? So Jacob was recuiting to replace "position white" and now Smokey is recuiting for "position black"? I know i might be alittle to far gone on this and there might just be "one position" but yeah i'm just gonna throw it out there anyway. Since Smokey's agenda just seems to be to free himself primarily.

Originally Posted by Onion

I'm not sure what the little kid meant you can't kill "him." Maybe he meant Richard? Seems more like he meant Sawyer though

I was wondering about this too. Maybe he's not allowed to kill caretakers or/and candidates? Cause he obviously can kill people on the island. The others are always hiding from him. The others are always looking for some form of leader too. Which makes me wonder why since they have/had Jacob till he died. But they have been always looking for a new leader it seems for so long, when they got Ben as a kid. They got rid of Whitmoore. When Locke made his move they got rid of Ben. Richard just seems to blindly follow Jacob to find a new leader/Candidate.

Originally Posted by Onion

That little kid is weird, I can't help but keep going back in my head to wondering where all of the Egyptian hieroglyphics tie in to the whole story. Maybe they're lower gods that were cursed to walk the earth and trapped on the island to protect man? But this kind of shatters the possibility of multiple caretakers, if Jacob was some sort of a god.

Not sure but i also wonder how Smokey isn't a man anymore but once was at one point. I thought that it was said that there is nothing supernatural going on. I see that has gone out the window cause yeah the whole egyptian/smokey thing that has always been around along with Jacob and everything else.

was kate actually not on the list or did they just not show her?

I believe i didn't see her name on the wall. Not sure if she's on the list. Since she is part of the flight she must be.

Originally Posted by Sly

gunna be interesting to see if or how smokey gets off the island and what would happen if he does.

Obviously the space time continuum stops.

Originally Posted by Sly

the kid could be a neutral in the battle between jacob and smokey? and now that jacob's maybe dead smokey feels hes won, hence him throwing the white stone out to sea.

I think it's that Smokey thinks Jacob/or the Kid/the island can't keep him on the island now since he is recuiting now instead of just killing people cause Jacob is dead. Also that he doesn't seem to need to follow "the rules" as he said to the kid.

Originally Posted by Vayd

Nuch--The numbers are apart of an equation that dictates when the world is going to end. They were also the numbers that showed up when the button needed to be pressed at the Swan?(forgot what station it was). How they are tied to the electromagnetic field that the swan was holding down, I have no idea. Maybe it's just some crazy physics and math beyond our comprehension (so to say). Smokey said that Jacob had a thing with numbers.

*The information on the numbers was from some Lost video game.
-Dharma went to the Island in hope to manipulate the numbers and let the world last longer.

Makes sense. I was wondering about the numbers and how they tied into the button pushing and the station. I never played the game.

Dumb, but i'm saying it anyway. How is Sawyer gonna climb out of that hole since the latter broke? Guess he's stuck forever. Why does Smokey not just smoke form instead of climb down is what i'm wondering. Btw the first person mode for the smoke monster is cool.

[rursusferre]

haha yoox, i actually thought the same thing about leaving that cave. Here is something I have been thinking about. I am thinking that this "alternative reality" is not happening in parallel to the show but maybe its BECAUSE of the show? that make sense? It seems like that is a better place for everyone on the island. Locke may be in the chair still, but he has a fiance that seems to love him, and he seems overall at better peace with his handicap. Hurley is much better off, charlie atleast isn't dead. Jack doesn't seem like an alchoholic. Maybe jin and son kill that idea, but i dunno. Anyway, that seems like it might be a more idealic world, but maybe the events on the island LET that place happen. Maybe jacob and smokey somehow exist between the realities. So all the bad stuff on the island allow for the existance of the good stuff. We'll see, they need to get some of this shit going.

[rursusferre]

Meh, that "jacob has a thing for numbers" seemed like a total cop-out to explaining the numbers. If their explaination for the numbers is that each one represents a character, thats pretty weak, and seems a little shoe-horned in.